MSI ProSeries AMD Ryzen 1st and 2ND Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 D-Sub DVI HDMI micro-ATX Motherboard (B450M PRO-M2 Max) (B450MPM2MAX)

This is the one I just ordered.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_9KIVEbVXPSEBC

It is a max board, so should be ryzen 3rd Gen ready. I paid $75 for it. It's not yet in stock at the moment, but there is some coming in. I think of it as a reservation.

Hey,

I do not have another RGB fan installed. My model motherboard is the B450M Pro-M2 MAX. I will link the model

MSI ProSeries AMD Ryzen 1st and 2ND Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 D-Sub DVI HDMI micro-ATX Motherboard (B450M PRO-M2 Max) (B450MPM2MAX) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_JTiVFbWMB6T8Q?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

For reference, these are going for $75 new right now

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17

you will require a bios update with an old gen chip

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=b450+msi&qid=1579699033&sprefix=b450+ms&sr=8-4 id pick this, is out of the box ryzen 3000 compatible and only 10$ more

tbh a b450 tomahawk/gaming plus max would be the best option but if you cant stretch your budget this one is fine too

UPDATE: The question and answer here seems to indicate that 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs are supported out of the box, and so what I said above lack of compatibility out-of-box might be wrong. Also the blog post from last year from MSI about adding support to other motherboards with a BIOS update doesn't include this board, and could mean this motherboard was released after Ryzen 3rd gen. If that is the case, then CPU should not be an issue as long as it's correctly seated and you have the cooler attached/connected.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=MSI+ProSeries+AMD+Ryzen+1st+and+2ND+Gen+AM4+M.2+USB+3+DDR4+D-Sub+DVI+HDMI+Micro-ATX+Motherboard+%28B450M+PRO-M2+Max%29+%28B450MPM2MAX%29&qid=1588268373&sr=8-1

Will this allow to to get a better power supply ? I need to find a motherboard with similar dimensions to mine which is 9.6x10.5 inches

Hey how are you? I was double checking everything and I was reading reviews on the motherboard. So I looked around and came across this one. I'd like your thoughts on this one. I decided that I'd rather spend more money but not if I have to and I'd like any other motherboards you can recommend. > > https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=MSI%2BB450M%2BGAMING%2BPLUS&qid=1585881509&sr=8-3&th=1

MSI ProSeries AMD Ryzen 1st and 2ND Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 D-Sub DVI HDMI micro-ATX Motherboard (B450M PRO-M2 Max) (B450MPM2MAX) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_TcN9EbF3PXWSW

I just got this one

It really is funny in a sad way - I was about to write a review for the AB350M when I got black screen'd. Thanks very much for the input and for the resources. Never knew about QVL lists - my exact RAM is not on there, so I guess there were even more issues with this mobo than I realized!

Just now I was eyeing the MSI B450M Pro-M2 MAX, I will try putting it all together in part picker, + check the QVL list for whatever mobo I go with.

If you do decide to spring for a new mobo as well / your AB350M flakes out on you as well, reminder to get some more thermal paste and 91% isopropyl alcohol for when you reinstall the CPU.

I apologize, it must’ve slipped my mind. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07XH4SK17/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_track_package_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=dp_cerb_1 Will this one work?

cool, thanks for the info!

looks like this one works for the motherboard, for some reason PCPP wasn't giving me any vendors for it

I used a ryzen 5 2600 and the motherboards is a

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XH4SK17/ref=as_li_ss_tl?smid=A3HCET3UGETZ2B&psc=1&&linkCode=sl1&tag=vrmediaproduc-20&linkId=8e199e51fcb9cd9465738f7a21f4d28a&language=en_US

It's this one although now the pcu doesn't seem to be working again. The switch is fine but nothing is turning on, I hope I haven't damaged any of my other components.

Are you specifically partial to Intel? You'd get more bang for your buck with a r5 3600 and a board like this one https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=b450+micro+atx&qid=1590641701&sprefix=b450+mi&sr=8-5

I think I'd get this mobo instead https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=MSI+b450&qid=1588015546&sr=8-3

Will this motherboard support the Ryzen 3200g. I'm curious because there is another version of the board selling for 150 on amazon and I'm not really sure why the steep price difference. Trying to budget build so would love to save the $ if I can.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=b450%2Bvdh%2Bmax&qid=1590525618&s=electronics&sr=1-2&th=1

> What motherboard would you recommend, if I were to go cheap?

Anything from MSI that has the word "MAX" in the name. Below is a $75 example that is currently out of stock.

https://www.amazon.com/ProSeries-Ryzen-generaci%C3%B3n-D-SUB-Micro-ATX/dp/B07XH4SK17/

> Would it be a worthy investment to upgrade to a 512 SSD?

Yes.

> Does this build use integrated graphics?

Yes. Getting an actual card with that budget requires too many sacrifices. Below is a link to benchmarks for the 2200G which is around 10% slower than the 3200G. The idea is you can purchase a GPU down the road once you have $100 to $200 saved up and have a much more powerful build than if you bought everything now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c39cd5/ryzen_3_2200g_vega_8_1440p_gaming_in_10_games/

Is this good for 5 1600?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07XH4SK17/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

This mobo https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=msi+b450&qid=1588824605&sr=8-5 is decent and fits 3000 series processors.

OH, I actually found out that MSI max boards always come with 3rd gen support out of the box, so I'm taking a look at this board atm. Definately worth the extra few bucks because they have never built before. https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=msi%2Bb450%2Bmax&qid=1591547955&sr=8-1&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=msi+b450&qid=1581025392&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Performance-Gaming-Crossfire-Motherboard/dp/B07XHH4YG4/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=msi+b450&qid=1581025392&sr=8-2

Both seem so similar to me ?? Does the more expensive one support newer CPU models? What's the crucial difference and reason for the pricing?

difference between these? MSI ProSeries AMD Ryzen 1st and 2ND Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 D-Sub DVI HDMI micro-ATX Motherboard (B450M PRO-M2 Max) (B450MPM2MAX) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_JD6XEb40R6FHZ

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kRTzK8/msi-b450m-pro-vdh-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro-vdh-max

GPU: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZXY43VC?creativeASIN=B06ZXY43VC&linkCode=w61&imprToken=qWqguNmPkiph80cezVCpRw&slotNum=3&tag=wepcus-20

Case: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079P1VBDY?creativeASIN=B079P1VBDY&linkCode=w61&imprToken=qWqguNmPkiph80cezVCpRw&slotNum=8&tag=wepcus-20

Don’t know if this is necessary but MOBO:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XH4SK17?creativeASIN=B07XH4SK17&linkCode=w61&imprToken=qWqguNmPkiph80cezVCpRw&slotNum=7&tag=wepcus-20

The only immediate upgrade you can do that will make substantial difference is a new GPU, but it's gonna cost you more than $300 to be an upgrade from a 1070 and your CPU may leave a lot to be desired if you do get a new GPU.

You can update your CPU, mobo, and RAM though for a little over $300.

• CPU
• Board
• RAM

If you do this your system will be ready for a new GPU down the line and it can handle pretty much anything higher than a 1070.

My last possible suggestion would be a new monitor, if you're still rocking a 1080p 60hz panel you may want to update that to say a 1080p 144hz one or a 1440p 60hz. It's not a performance upgrade per se, but a visual upgrade for your eyes lol.

I’m looking to build my first ever gaming PC, and need someone to tell me if the parts I’m picking are good.

I was hoping to keep the PC at around $500 (kinda failed) and was hoping if anyone could tell me if I’m heading in the right direction.

My main games are rocket league, rainbow six, and Minecraft, So I don’t think I need a beefy computer as of yet lol

Links to all parts:

case

motherboard

power supply

SSD

RAM

graphics card

processor

I’m a noob when it comes to PCs, so any help is appreciated!

Note: also if anyone knows good budget monitors please share lol

There's a chance your selected board won't support the CPU without a bios update. (Which needs a supported cpu to do)

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17

You can check the compatibility list here: You will see that the bios version is the same for most processors. This includes the 3200Ghttps://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450M-PRO-M2-MAX#support-cpu

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You can add more Storage Drives, yes. I can't tell how many Sata Cables the Motherboard comes with though. I'd reckon it comes with couple but you never know.

If you need more. I guess you'll just have to buy one.

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The 500W PSU is fine. You can make do with a 450W since you have no dedicated GPU.

If you intend to add a GPU later. You would do best to get a 550W PSU.

I think I have just one more question. Looking at the motherboard you recommended, I can't find anywhere if it supports gen 3 Ryzens right out of the box without any BIOS updates. Some people say it doesn't. I don't have an older Ryzen, and getting the free temporary booting kit seems like a pain, so I'd want to make sure I find a motherboard that does.

Overall, this seems kind of conflicted, and I haven't been able to find an mATX motherboard that explicitly says it does support gen 3s out of the box except for this one: https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MicroATX-Motherboard-B450M-PRO4/dp/B07FVYKFXF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=ASRock+MicroATX+Motherboard+%28B450M+PRO4&qid=1582221722&sr=8-3.

I've also found this one: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=MSI%2Bb450m%2Btomahawk&qid=1582241730&sr=8-2&th=1. Most say it would work, while some don't. One person even said anything below a 3600 would work out of the box.

Is there a way to know for sure?

Yeah i dont know nothing about Pins.

The motherboard that i use is a MSI B450m

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=sr_1_3?crid=Z5K9X4MQQZWB&dchild=1&keywords=b450m+motherboard&qid=1598465090&s=electronics&sprefix=b450m%2Celectronics%2C169&sr=1-3

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And as for the Power supply its a Antec NeoECO Gold Zen Series NE700G Zen 700W

https://www.amazon.com/Antec-Zen-NE700G-Certified-Non-Modular/dp/B07XDHHTX8/ref=sr_1_3?crid=V5FXF5D78Y55&dchild=1&keywords=neo+eco+power+supply&qid=1598465140&s=electronics&sprefix=neo+eco+%2Celectronics%2C147&sr=1-3

This is my case: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087CBP34Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have two exhaust fans on the top, the one built into the side of the case, and one on the PSU. My motherboard is small (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XH4SK17/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1) which may contribute.

"while getting a cheap mobo doesn't leave enough money for a GPU upgrade anyway." -that's not true. as long as it's mobo is compatible with pice 3 , his GPU will run fine without loss of performance. -when i suggested a b450 or a320 , i didnt mentioned which. the b450 tomahawk max is expesive as well. the mobos i was talking about 1 of were those: https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-A320M-S2H-MicroATX-Realtek-Motherboard/dp/B079NYQQJJ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=A320+motherboard&qid=1602491015&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Motherboard-PRO-MAX/dp/B0822M7BS5/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-drs1_0?cv_ct_cx=A320+motherboard&dchild=1&keywords=A320+motherboard&pd_rd_i=B0822M7BS5&pd_rd_r=d3b1be8d-fa63-47c0-96ae-477e4c0ea91d&pd_rd_w=jjwwI&pd_rd_wg=PJoht&pf_rd_p=ecbfa24d-f48c-4d5c-83aa-9549f4e7c925&pf_rd_r=8CE8ES5EKMZFWTR1ES36&psc=1&qid=1602491015&sr=1-1-f6b8d51f-2c55-4dc3-89ad-0c3639671b2d https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-B450M-HDV-R4-0-Promontory-Motherboard/dp/B07MWGKHR9/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=A320+motherboard&qid=1602491015&sr=8-7 https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B450M-DS3H-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B07FWVJSHC/ref=sxin_9_ac_d_rm?ac_md=0-0-YjQ1MCBtb3RoZXJib2FyZA%3D%3D-ac_d_rm&crid=384UZPXUCZ473&cv_ct_cx=b450+motherboard&dchild=1&keywords=b450+motherboard&pd_rd_i=B07FWVJSHC&pd_rd_r=91c3582b-c68e-4af1-a383-50244bd332ed&pd_rd_w=d2bFG&pd_rd_wg=Av4Fn&pf_rd_p=fe2d64f9-a0d4-4c62-b195-55e240bc5b7e&pf_rd_r=TPBE5BVKV3KJ5S42EJSJ&psc=1&qid=1602490989&sprefix=B450%2Caps%2C290&sr=1-1-12d4272d-8adb-4121-8624-135149aa9081 https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=sr_1_13?crid=384UZPXUCZ473&dchild=1&keywords=b450+motherboard&qid=1602490989&sprefix=B450%2Caps%2C290&sr=8-13

Ok I still need a power supply https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B081R425YH/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=AVCN3MVCVULPH&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07STGHZK8/ref=ox_sc_act_image_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0143UM4TC/ref=ox_sc_act_image_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B079P1VBDY/ref=ox_sc_act_image_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07XH4SK17/ref=ox_sc_act_image_7?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07H2RR55Q/ref=ox_sc_act_image_8?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Ryzen 5 1600AF - $100 from Amazon (CPU cooler included)

MSI Pro M.2 Max - $75 from Amazon

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz - $82 from Amazon

Crucial P1 500GB M.2 - $70 from B+H

Sapphire Pulse RX580 8GB- $165 from Amazon

Corsair CX550M 550W Bronze - $67 from Amazon

NZXT H510 - $70 from Amazon

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We're pushing your budget by about 20 or 30 dollars, but the price to performance is MUCH MUCH better than the PC you were intending to buy. I don't mean to sound condescending, please don't take it that way, just want to help. The PC parts you listed are older and far less powerful, and you are paying a pretty significant price when there are components of similar price with better performance!

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The CPU I chose is similar in performance to the Ryzen 5 2600. Please make sure to get the AF version of the 1600, as it's an "updated" model compared to the old 1600.

Not really much to say about the motherboard other than MSI makes solid boards starting at that price. It won't disappoint you.

16GB of at minimum 3000MHz RAM. Faster RAM is important, especially for Ryzen. While 3000MHz is perfectly fine, if you would like to squeeze the budget by an extra 10$, I would get 3200MHz of the same RAM instead.

500GB might seem a bit small - and it is - but I'd rather put some of the money elsewhere in the rig as adding another SSD or HDD later is no hassle, and 500GB is plenty for a while.

The RX580 8GB will absolutely destroy a 1050Ti. I upgraded from a 1050Ti to an RX580 myself, and for roughly the same price, this one is a no-brainer. While performance varies from game to game, the RX580 is in a similar performance category as a GTX 1060.

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This PC Part Picker list ends up above budget with the same components. Just made it to show no hardware incompatibilities, power consumption, etc.

I can get the 1600 AF on amazon.

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So this stuff is all compatible?

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• Silicon Power 16GB (8GBx2) XPOWER Turbine Gaming DDR4 3200MHz (PC4 25600) 288-pin CL16 1.35V UDIMM Desktop Memory Module - Low Voltage (SP016GXLZU320BDA)

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• MSI ProSeries AMD Ryzen 1st and 2ND Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 D-Sub DVI HDMI Micro-ATX Motherboard (B450M PRO-M2 Max) (B450MPM2MAX)

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• AMD Ryzen 5 1600 6-Core, 12-Thread Unlocked 65W Desktop Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler (YD1600BBAFBOX)

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• Seagate BarraCuda 2TB Internal Hard Drive HDD – 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 256MB Cache 3.5-Inch – Frustration Free Packaging (ST2000DM008)

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• PNY CS900 120GB 2.5” SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - (SSD7CS900-120-RB)

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EVGA 600 BR 100-BR-0600-K1 600W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI CrossFire 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Non-Modular Active PFC Power

ASRock Phantom Gaming D Radeon RX 570 DirectX 12 RX570 4G 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video CardReplacement Only Return Policy

How’s this for a first time budget gaming build

Video card

CPU

Mobo

PSU

Memory

HDD

SSD

Case

Ryzen 1600 AF: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-YD1600BBAFBOX/dp/B07XTQZJ28/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ryzen+1600+af&qid=1579091324&sr=8-1 $85.00

MSI B450M PRO-M@ Max: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=MSI+B450M+PRO-M2+Max&qid=1579091361&sr=8-1 $74.99

16 GB DDR4 3000 RAM: https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-Vulcan-3000MHz-Desktop/dp/B07QNKJVR8/ref=sr_1_15?crid=HK3IS5IVIFJ8&keywords=3000+mhz+ddr4+16gb&qid=1579091403&sprefix=3000+mh%2Caps%2C247&sr=8-15 $69.99

SSD: https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-BX500-240GB-2-5-Inch-Internal/dp/B07G3KRZBX/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=SSD&qid=1579091454&refinements=p_n_feature_three_browse-bin%3A14027458011&rnid=6797515011&s=pc&sr=1-2 $31.99

RX580: https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-Backplate-Graphics-Graphic/dp/B06ZZ6FMF8/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=RX580&qid=1579091516&s=electronics&sr=1-1 $189.99

$451.96 plus taxes and shipping.

Its a little over budget. But a good pc

Edit: non cut version hopefully Total Price: $767

Ryzen 5 3600 $160 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07STGGQ18

MSI B450M PRO-M2 MAX $89 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XH4SK17

XFX RX 5500 XT Thicc II Pro 4GB $169 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082KYTYSP

(2x8GB) G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 $59 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015FXXBW0

WD Blue SN550 500GB $69 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YFF3JCN

Thermaltake Smart 500W $57 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014W3EM2W

AeroCool Cylon RGB $49 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079P1VBDY

Sceptre E248W-19