KING KW65 1000/6000 Grit Combination Whetstone with Plastic Base

Just get this. You can put a terrific edge on almost anything, and it'll be all you need/can use for at least a couple months/years.

Check out the King 1000/6000 stone.

Made in Japan, has good quality and comes with a bench.

Might also consider an angle guide (at least until you learn to sharpen freehand).

I’m a beginner. I bought this king. Kws-65.

KING KW65 1000/6000 Grit Combination Whetstone with Plastic Base https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DT1X9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_f8WYEbD03H7ET

Ive seen some people recommend the KDS 1000/6000. I dont know the difference.

I like it.

I'd recommend learning how to use a whetstone. I got this one about a year ago and watched some YouTube videos. Now I can bring my knife back to paper slicing amazingness every few months.

There's lots of great tutorials on YouTube, but it really doesn't need to be more complicated than this for a home cook's needs.

While I completely understand the idea behind minimizing costs, sometimes it’s better to spend a little more once than have to go buy a cheaper product more often. The big issue with cheap whetstones (IMO) is that they dish really quickly. Maybe with some really good technique you could extend the life of a cheap stone.

That being said, I’d recommend a King stone. You can get a combination 1k/6k stone on amazon for a little over $30. Best of luck with your knives! Those kiwis are incredible for how cheap they are.

If you are looking for something like that at 40 bucks I would 100% say go https://www.amazon.com/KING-KW65-Combination-Whetstone-Plastic/dp/B001DT1X9O instead. Whetstone Sharpening is way better in longevity of the Knife and overall sharpness. It's not that hard and I wish I did it earlier instead of Stuff like this

This KING KW65 1000/6000 Grit Combination Whetstone with Plastic Base looks promising at $23. Thanks for the suggestion.

One of the first stones I bought was too narrow for large plane blades with a honing guide. One reason I like Nortons is they are 3" wide. The King stones above are 2-1/2" wide which is good all the way through a #7 plane which I think works for almost everyone. #8 users need something bigger than 2-5/8".

I have this: https://www.amazon.com/KING-KW65-Combination-Whetstone-Plastic/dp/B001DT1X9O

It's just a 1000/6000 block, nothing too fancy. I'd probably want to get more grits and higher quality stones at some point, but this works well enough. It does take a fair amount of practice and patience to learn how to hold a single angle and get the movement down. I've seen other kits like the one you linked, where the angle is held with a jig, not a bad idea. I use this for my kitchen knives and a straight razor, no real issues yet

>kings 1000

Thanks! Are you talking about this?

Cool, this one? https://www.amazon.com/KING-KW65-Combination-Whetstone-Plastic/dp/B001DT1X9O

You probably have an old K65 which is just the older version, the KDS is supposed to be more durable.

I had a stone that I imagine is very similar to that one, and quickly moved up to one of these instead: https://www.amazon.com/KING-KW65-Combination-Whetstone-Plastic/dp/B001DT1X9O

The difference was night and day, the king is so much better, and really not that expensive. The cheap stone is good for coarsely removing a lot of material like a file, but for actual sharpening the king just smokes it for me. Just holding them feels different, the cheap one is like a hard solid brick and the king is almost like a piece of firm dense clay. You definitely aren’t going to leave a fingerprint in it or anything, but something about it just feels so much nicer to sharpen with.

Thanks!

I'm thinking about getting this King Combo Whetstone but I'm seeing some mixed reviews aviut using 6000 grit on some knives, so I'll definitely have to do some more looking with regards to whetstones!

Nope. I’m guessing this? https://www.amazon.com/KING-KW65-Combination-Whetstone-Plastic/dp/B001DT1X9O

Ok

Edit: is this it?

Would you recommend the King 1000/6000 grit combination, or would the 6000 grit damage the steel?

https://www.amazon.com/KING-KW65-Combination-Whetstone-Plastic/dp/B001DT1X9O/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=king+1000%2F6000+whetstone&qid=1585951393&sprefix=king+1000&sr=8-1

It’s fairly simple, but time consuming. I just use this stone, then strop it on two different compounds on a diy leather strop. I also have a lansky that I use if I want to reshape the bevels. The key is to get even patterns on the 1000, then spend a good amount of time on the 6k. The leather just gives the knife a very nice mirror finish afterwards.

this one is good to use, you just soak it in water for 10 or 15 minutes, sharpen on the brown side, and polish the edge on the white side. whetstones work on any knife with a metal blade as long as your blade doesn't have a recurve shape

This is a big question that is not going to be adequately answered in a single reddit post. You can spend $60 on a single combo whetstone plus a flattening stone or you can spend $1000 on a high-end set. It depends how far you want to take it. This King combo stone is a popular entry level option. But then there's a pretty good argument that buying higher-quality, dedicated stones from the beginning is going to get you more in the long run. I suggest you watch some YT videos on sharpening and peruse /r/sharpening to get a sense of how far you want to take it.

I'd probably say that a set of King (or similar modest quality) 500, 1000, and 4000 stones is more than good enough for home use - certainly far better (with some practice) than any electric sharpener will get you.

It depends on what you want when you set out to sharpen. Disclaimer: I like really sharp edges.

That said, I don't think 1,000 grit is enough to finish the edge. Will it cut food into pieces? Oh yeah. Is it outright dull? Definitely not. I think 2000 grit can be good enough for softer stainless steels and my more "workhorse" knives -- stainless steels not more than 59 HRC. I often leave those at a 2,000 grit edge. For more premium steels, and all carbon steels, I really want a stone in the 4,000-6,000 neighborhood. That finishes and polishes the edge to the really sharp condition that I want when I set out to sharpen.

A 1,000/6,000 or 1,000/5,000 combo stone is a great way to learn and to learn two grits, sharpening, polishing/finishing the edge, and so on. I highly recommend it. I would buy it for anyone starting out.

Here is a King brand 1,000/6,000 combo stone for $28 on Amazon (King offers a couple of different 1k/6k combo stones, this is the somewhat smaller but much less expensive one).

Coincidentally I also got this knife recently and noticed just that. I'm thinking about grabbing one of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DT1X9O/

Do you think this would do the job to bring it back to razor sharp?

A Japanese whetstone. They work great. I had to watch some videos on how to use it first though. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DT1X9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_btf_t1_EfwDFb04GC5K4

I have this one and it’s been good to me. KING KW65 1000/6000 Grit Combination Whetstone with Plastic Base https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DT1X9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_sSnwFbQ3P1NSD

Yes Ive been wanting to get into sharpening I heard the tenacious needs to be sharpened often. I have no idea about sharpening would something like this be what your talking about here

I’d probably get a king stone because they’re quality and they’re cheap.

I find the 1000 more useful than the 6000 but it’s nice to have both.

Here’s a 1000/6000 combo for $~30:

KING KW65 1000/6000 Grit Combination Whetstone with Plastic Base https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DT1X9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_F4AVFbG41K8PJ

I use this stone. I started by just sharpening my cheap knives but after a couple successes, I feel confidant sharpening my nicer knives. In fact, I just did it on Monday!

You won't get a knife proper sharp with that ever. OK for fixing chips maybe (not that I'd use for that either), but it's way too coarse for a refined edge.

Pay the $34 for a 1000/6000 King Combo waterstone and you'll be popping hairs in no time.

I would have to hold it in my hands to know for sure that it's not bent out of reasonable shape but, honestly, it looks like the primary edge is fucked. Fortunately, fixing the primary edge is 100% doable at home if you're willing put in the effort. Watch this video (yes, I know it's three hours long. But you will learn a ton), and then buy this. If you're really committed to fixing the edge yourself, this is the place to start. Knife maintenance is a learned skill, but it's super useful and will make you very popular with friends and family.

If the knife is super bent out of shape or wavy (as it appears it may be), you may need to send it away to be professionally fixed.

Cool, thanks. Trying to keep it around $40 or $50. Is this the King 1000 you're referring to? I also see this one which specifies it's for harder steels. My knife is stainless steel, would that whetstone be better for it?

Also, does the effectiveness of the ceramic rods vary much based on quality? I have an old, cheap, cusinart knife block that has a ceramic rod in it. Would that be fine?

Thank you, that’s helpful!

I think the king 1000 is this? Is this complete trash?

congratulations on the rare occurrence of a remorse proof purchase

practice on one of these and you'll be a pro in no time

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There's no time better than the present to learn sharpening with a stone. The pull thru sharpeners usually remove more metal from the blade than needed. At first it seems difficult and pointless. Then it works.

With stones you are far less likely do do big damage to an edge than with the pull thru sharpeners.

There are decent stones available for $16 ish US and up: https://www.amazon.com/Whetstone-Sharpening-Sharpener-Trilancer-Waterstone/dp/B075T64F9S

I have this: https://www.amazon.com/KING-KW65-Combination-Whetstone-Plastic/dp/B001DT1X9O $30 ish US.

and a similarly reasonable coarse stone. Plus I got a stone holder: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NFB2MTI $15 ish US

The royal road is to sharpen with stones and then strop with a strop and compound. Simple buffing compound will smooth the edge and wear off the wire edge and transform a mediocre seeming edge to razor sharp. Kinda a miracle.

I posted this on another thread, might help you.

The King KW65 1k/6k is a good option for a combo stone, you can get it off amazon for less than $40, or the King KDS 1k/6k for $44.

I recently got a KnifeWear 4k stone and their 8k stone (same as a Naniwa Snow White 8k), and they seem to be of good quality though I haven't used them yet. Theres tons of options out there, someone else will hopefully weigh in and give you some other ideas.

Update on Knifewear stones, used the 4k pretty heavily during a session. It's a beast of a stone, great slurry and great progression from my 1k to 4k to 6k. Probably going to buy the 8k for shits and giggles.

http://www.aandlsharpening.com uses an electric pull though sharpener. Supposedly, Giant Eagle Market district does it the same way for free.

I do it myself, but I'm not the best at it, so I wouldn't be the best teacher. I bought a King 1000/6000 combo stone. This Munchies video with Vincent from Korin really helped me to understand.

On the much cheaper range, you could go with a Victorinox Fibrox Chef's Knife. I've used the same one for over ten years and it still kicks butt. This will only set you back $30.
https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Fibrox-Chefs-Knife-8-Inch/dp/B008M5U1C2

You could also go with a Global Chef's Knife. The handles aren't for everyone, but it is a tried and tested knife that many love. This is near the top of the budget at $89.
https://www.amazon.com/Global-G-2-inch-Chefs-Knife/dp/B00005OL44

If you went with the Victorinox, you could pair it with a great set of starter whetstones and still be under budget. The King 1000/6000 combo will let you get your knives crazy sharp and it is pretty reasonable at only $37.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DT1X9O

I would go diamond. Perfect for beginners. It's always flat, you don't have to lap it or anything, they last decades. They're pretty inexpensive. And if you decide to get other stones later, you can use your diamond stones to lap your other stones when they cup. And if you just put one stone in the holder at a time it acts as a pretty nice base.

These are a great deal and every knife owner should have it. Also great for sharpening any metal in the house. I use it on chisels, planes, straight razors, pocket knives, kitchen knives. I've been regularly using them for over 10 years.

And for a finishing stone I just use this. 8000 grit is pretty sweet. But finishing stones are fun to play around with. Maybe an Arkansas stone

Ceramic rod for a few swipes to catch any burrs and it's good to go.

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Or if you want to go traditional I would go for a king combo it's like 40 bucks and works. Why ruin a nice stone practicing? If you find that you've used it and like honing you can upgrade.