WD 12TB Elements Desktop Hard Drive, USB 3.0 - WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN
- Fast data transfers
- High-capacity add-on storage
- Plug-and-play ready for Windows PCs
- Western Digital quality inside and out
- 2-Year manufacturer's limited warranty
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37 points • joeydoesthing
[HDD] WD 12TB Elements Desktop Hard Drive ($175.49)
7 points • Funkmaster_Lincoln
That's a lot of power for ~25TB of raw storage. Especially considering you can shuck the 12TB WD red drives for like $200-250 a pop. If you wanted heavy redundancy you could drop down to 8s.
7 points • Drabzie
https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=sr_1_1 Amazon.com also has it too. Shipping + import fees $30.46 USD and comes to a total of $205.95 USD
3 points • kirawin
If you prefer Amazon
3 points • trimsleeper
I've had it happen.
3 points • chooseauniqueusrname
[O] Amazon Deal of the Day - 12TB WD Elements External Hard Drive
One of Amazon’s deals of the day is a 12TB WD Elements External Hard Drive on sale for $175.49.
7 points • mharsch
1 points • Proximus88
We are talking about this one's: "https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Desktop-Hard-Drive-WDBWLG0080HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=wd%2Belements&qid=1602581832&sr=8-3&th=1&psc=1"?
What kind of hdd are in those? WD red?
1 points • itshurleytime
Do you're saying I could get a WD 12TB Elements Desktop Hard Drive, USB 3.0 - WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN for $172.36?
1 points • cs_legend_93
> Why non-SMR?
I heard its cheaper and I read no need for SMR with UnRaid. Is that true?
> Do you have a specific workload where SMR gets too slow (e.g. databases with lots of random small write ops)
No not currently, but likely I will have SQL databases hosted on my UnRaid in the future, it wont be Production SQL, only development testing environment... I also have a Music Server. So looks like I do need SMR haha
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_llFHFbDCT08BZ?th=1 Is not SMR... Can you recommend a good SMR drive?
1 points • GodOfPlutonium
thats why you get a 12 tb wd elements for 220 dollars instead
1 points • a9JDvXLWHumjaC
You're OK with the USB3 Element Drives, they have zero HW encryption. That's the external I use and I checked it out before purchase. I am surprised in that lnk you provided, the ambiguity indicates some bad tech writers @ WD and also, that the older USB2 Element Drives had encryption.
PS: Though I buy from BB, amz hints of the encryption spec; go to the below page & search for the word encryption where you'll see "My Book" has it but USB3 Elements does not. Also, the drive prefix in the addy matches your prefix of
WDBWLG0120HBK. Lets just hope your
EE doesn't mean Encryption and
NE in the suffix below means No Encryption!
1 points • fcewen00
Personally, right away. I wouldn't risk losing data from the click of death. Now if you want to go big boy on your storage get a https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B and shuck it out of the case and put it in your box. The things you learn from /r/datahoarders
1 points • GreenNapster
Deal link: Amazon
1 points • killerpreztail
This 12TB shuckable drive was on sale for $175 on prime day. Use that knowledge how you wish.
1 points • Bancas
Running memory tests as we speak. I'm starting to think it may be the SMR drives too. I bought 3 of these today and plan to shuck them and set them up in a mirror configuration with one as a backup. People are saying that they are CMR drives.
1 points • Boringwrist
1 points • Suspicious-Sheep
Oh dang I'll look into that, I'm still getting into freeNAS and all that. For storage tho I'd say look into that 12TB drive on Amazon it's decently cheep large storage but its a bit loud for a hard drive. I just ordered one to toss in my little server.
1 points • eloric
If that's gone, here is the Prime Day deal for the same price: WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN
1 points • pgoardo
12 TB drive is 200 bucks on Amazon. Problem solved.
3 points • sneacon
If you don't need the 2 usb charge ports or the built in cooling fan the 12TB WD Elements HDD can be had for $175 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/
Or $149 if you use retailmenot's 15% cashback promo at newegg (takes 45 days to get paid though)
1 points • ssmsti
I bought two of these when they went on a flash sale and shucked them and put them in my plex server. They work great! There's a little mod you have to do to get them to power up but its super simple.
1 points • komradek
No you can't. That's a 7200rpm WD black external. The non branded is 249 not on sale. Amazon has it on sale for 219.
This one also has usb ports for charging and 3 months of ultimate in it.
1 points • HTWingNut
Buy two of the 12TB WD Elements (currently on sale for $199), keep one at home, and one offsite and swap them on a regular basis (monthly, quarterly, depends on how often you update data). Plus find an inexpensive online backup like Amazon or Backblaze or Google.
1 points • ahatzz11
Amazon has the WD Elements 12tb for $200 which is a slightly better deal - $16.6/tb instead of $17/tb
1 points • mttl
Amazon had 12TB drives for $174.99, which have returned to their regular price of $219.99. Not really any money to be made and they had a limit of 3, but these might able to be "shucked" (take the drive out and toss the plastic shell) which can increase the value
1 points • babyyoduhhh
This one you can, the one you posted you cannot.
WD Elements Desktop Hard Drive https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_AdK6EbHDD72W4
2 points • zaca21
$219 at the time of writing this. Sometimes they dip lower.
1 points • SilasDG
Or even buy a WD drive if you like the brand and save $80 by not paying for an Xbox logo. https://www.amazon.com/12TB-Elements-Desktop-Drive-WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN/dp/B07X4V2M3B/
A lot of people don't realize the only difference is this drive is pre-formated. Which sounds complicated but the Xbox One will do it on it's own when you tell it to use the drive. There's Zero reason to worry about whether or not the Xbox logo is slapped on a drive.
0 points • FurryCrew
Prime day deal du jour....
Was $380NZ including delivery and all taxes. Stupid cheap
1 points • sharpersheep
Also, if you’re looking to buy external white label WD drives to shuck, right now there’s a decent deal on Amazon for 12TB drives for $174.99 which come out to $14.58/TB
Alternatively if you want to stick WD Reds, the 4TB drives are on sale for $90. Though they’re much smaller obviously and are $22.50/TB, they do come with a much longer warranty period, and don’t involving the hassle of shucking and a smaller warranty window that the white labels have.
Just some friendly suggestions as these sales are not bad at this time and you may still be deciding which hard drives to purchase.
1 points • azure_i
I am in the middle of a similar situation, but the setup I originally settled on was a 2012 Mac Mini I got off eBay for ~$250. I dropped in a spare SSD and extra RAM I had lying around, and configured it for ssh access and SMB shares on the network. I attached all my external disks to it (the ones I am trying to consolidate). Using macOS gave me a huge advantage in that I could use Backblaze's unlimited desktop backups on all of my attached storage, which is about 15TB now. The Mac Mini pulls about 7W idle, though I'm not sure how much the external HDD's use since they all have their own power bricks. Overall its been great since obv it has x86_64 CPU giving it great software compatibility and the potential for plenty of specs to run any software I could need.
For archival, I just set up
rsync scripts on my other Mac's to copy my home directories to the Mac Mini's attached hard drives. Windows could prob do similar with the SMB shares. I am not sure what kind of Wifi access speeds you need, but
rsync from my MacBook to the Mac Mini typically gets ~5MB/s transfers over Wifi on my basic home router.
The drives I have been using are the plain old desktop style external's which keep going on sale, like this one which I snagged for $175 during Prime day. They will def be on sale again in the future if you just keep an eye out.
If I wanted to, I think I could host Plex or other media servers on the Mac Mini, though I doubt it would be able to handle much transcoding, instead I just use another external HDD attached to my Shield TV with movies on it and call it a day.
This is def not an "ideal" setup but its worked quite well for a while now and has solved a lot of similar issues to yours. Its been inexpensive, low power consumption, and very flexible.
1 points • Socket774
1 points • GoGoGadgetReddit
Amazon and B&H have it for $175 today.
2 points • Alphasee
The 12TB is 194 from Amazon.com also.
2 points • codebone
Reading older threads, these were (are?) barracuda drives that are SMR. 12TB elements are $200 on amazon right this second.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/b74vnr/wd_elements_8tb_wdbwlg0080hbknesn_vs_seagate/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/7hbbcp/seagate_backup_plus_hub_8tb_stel8000100_shucked/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/666h5i/are_these_drives_shuckableseagate_expansion/
1 points • pacogavavla
12TB WD Elements $175 at Amazon (US) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B
Same price at Newegg (as posted earlier) https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-12tb/p/N82E16822234406
0 points • Otokolumi
12TB for sale recently $ 175.49 if you're in the US
1 points • Mr_Idjit
WD Elements 10TB if you want to buy from europe..WD Easystore 10TB if US..
Links to EasyStore on sale..
~~https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X4V2M3B/~~ ~~- This was 12TB on sale, sorry :)~~
1 points • potatoeWoW
I am seeing an identical error using a WD 12TB Elements Desktop Hard Drive, USB 3.0 - WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN I got on sale.
On Windows, I was trying to follow /u/coollllmann1's method (SMART short test, badblocks, SMART short test, fio) via the DataHoarder wiki section "How to test purchased drives"
Then I deviated, assuming if a short test is good, an extended test would be even better.
The short test had
2 and apparently it's supposed to be zero, which made me think something might be wrong.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
|ID#| ATTRIBUTE_NAME | FLAG | VALUE|WORST|THRESH|TYPE |UPDATED|WHEN_FAILED |RAW_VALUE| |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| | 1 |Raw_Read_Error_Rate |0x000b|100 |100 |001 |Pre-fail|Always |- |2 | | 5 |Reallocated_Sector_Ct |0x0033|100 |100 |001 |Pre-fail|Always |- |0 | | 7 |Seek_Error_Rate |0x000a|100 |100 |001 |Old_age |Always |- |0 | |196 |Reallocated_Event_Count|0x0032|100 |100 |000 |Old_age |Always |- |0 | |197 |Current_Pending_Sector |0x0022|100 |100 |000 |Old_age |Always |- |0 | |198 |Offline_Uncorrectable |0x0008|100 |100 |000 |Old_age |Offline|- |0 | |199 |UDMA_CRC_Error_Count |0x000a|100 |100 |000 |Old_age |Always |- |0 |
(list shortened using recommendation from thread)
I launched an extended self-test in the evening ...
C:\Program Files\smartmontools\bin>smartctl -t long -C /dev/sdb smartctl 7.1 2019-12-30 r5022 [x86_64-w64-mingw32-win8.1] (sf-7.1-1) Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION === Sending command: "Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in captive mode". Drive command "Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in captive mode" successful. Testing has begun. Please wait 1387 minutes for test to complete. Test will complete after Fri Oct 16 21:44:24 2020 PDT
... and checked the next morning to find it had failed.
C:\Program Files\smartmontools\bin>smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb smartctl 7.1 2019-12-30 r5022 [x86_64-w64-mingw32-win8.1] (sf-7.1-1) Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org Read Device Identity failed: scsi error device will be ready soon A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
1 points • ElectronicsWizardry
> I don't think you understand how that graph works. Not all of your data is going to be on the inner rings of the platter. Taking the inner ring transfer rate as total transfer rate is incorrect. You need to take the average rate, as some files may be on the inner rings and some may be on the outer. You will get that same graph on a newly formatted drive because it's only testing seek times, not actual data.
This really depends on exactly how it is setup, but normally the data gets written to the outside first, then slowly to the inside. So the first game you install will be all the full speed, and files that use the last bit of space will be the slowest. Reading that first game will still get full speed though. Bigger drives will be a bit faster, as you won't have to use as much of the slower parts as you would on a smaller drives, keeping the aver speeds higher.
Are you in the US? Just checking as I am and amazon is different in different countries.
Here is a 6tb black on amazon https://www.amazon.com/Black-6TB-Performance-Hard-Drive/dp/B0792GSD6N/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=wd+black+6tb&qid=1600102292&sr=8-1
>Why a Barracuda Pro vs Exos or IronWolf?
Ironwolfs are 5400rpm, and generally slower than the 7200rpm drives, so if you want speed, stay away. Ironwolf pros are 7200rpm drives. They really seem to be charging a premium for 7200rpm drives now.
Exos drives are normally more expensive. if their cheaper, get them. I have also seen warranty issues with them on amazon, so id stay away unless its cheaper. I think amazon is not a authorized seller, and there are some issues with warranties from non authorized sellers
Here are some options I see
I aimed for 8tb+ as if your using 4tb now, your probably gonna want a reasonable amount extra, so 8tb seems like a reasonable minimum, esp with 100gb+ games now being common.
Internal consumer drives:
Toshiba x300 8tb, $220, 7200rpm
WD gold 8tb 7200rpm(same price as red pro, so might as well get the gold) $280
Datacenter drives: These seems suspiciously cheap to me.
HGST ultrastar 8tb, 7200rpm $175
Seagate Exos 8tb, 7200rpm $190
For cheap shucks, but as always with shucks you don't know exactly what your gonna get:
Should be a 10tb barracuda pro. 7200rpm $205
I think there are 12tb 5400rpm drives normally, but might be a incorrectly labeled 7200rpm drive $230
Id personally probably get the 10tb seagate external drive. Seems to always be a barracuda pro, pretty cheap, no weird issues I know of.
Otherwise, the toshiba x300 seems like a good bet. I have a 6tb model and its working pretty well(that drive has a weird story, but performance is good).
ALl of these should be faster than your current black, and are almost all 7200rpm aswell.
-2 points • dougbest12
i see 12tb WD elements going for 217$ ? is it this model ur referring or something different?